12 Novembro, 2008

10 de Novembro de 2008 - 14:00
China diz que não abrirá mão de controle rígido sobre Tibete
Por Chris Buckley
PEQUIM (Reuters) - O apelo do Dalai Lama para que o Tibete tenha um "alto grau de autonomia" nunca será aceito pela China, afirmou uma autoridade chinesa, adotando uma postura intransigente antes de negociações com tibetanos exilados a respeito do futuro daquela área.
Zhu Weiqun, vice-ministro do Departamento Frente Unida de Trabalho, pertencente ao Partido Comunista, disse nesta segunda-feira que em reuniões ocorridas em Pequim, na semana passada, os enviados do Dalai Lama haviam defendido seu tradicional apelo por "autonomia genuína" para a região montanhosa.
Antes do próximo encontro com ativistas tibetanos exilados, os representantes do Dalai Lama haviam entregado ao governo chinês um "Memorando para todos os tibetanos gozarem de autonomia genuína". Mas a resposta manifestada por Zhu revelou intransigência.
A China "nunca permitiria um fracionamento étnico em nome da autonomia genuína", disse o vice-ministro em uma entrevista coletiva.
"Na verdade, eles tentam buscar uma base jurídica para a chamada independência do Tibete, ou semi-independência ou independência camuflada", afirmou Zhu, cujo departamento supervisiona os contatos do Partido Comunista com organizações religiosas.
As palavras de Zhu representam o primeiro comentário detalhado do governo chinês a respeito da rodada de reuniões realizada com os enviados entre os dias 31 de outubro e 5 de novembro, a nona do tipo desde 2002 e a primeira depois dos Jogos Olímpicos de Pequim.
E também deixaram clara a postura da China antes do encontro com os tibetanos exilados, alguns dos quais defendem uma postura mais radical do que a autonomia advogada pelo Dalai Lama.
"Os contatos e as negociações não avançaram. E eles devem assumir a responsabilidade plena por isso", acrescentou Zhu, referindo-se às reuniões da semana passada.
O governo tibetano no exílio culpa a China pelo fracasso da última rodada de negociações.
"Se fosse para rejeitar a autonomia regional, os chineses deveriam ter deixado isso claro desde o início", afirmou à Reuters, em Dharamsala (Índia) Karma Chophel, presidente do Parlamento tibetano no exílio. A cidade serve de sede para o governo no exílio.
Mas autoridades da China disseram que o único propósito das negociações era deixar claro para o Dalai Lama que o governo deles não relaxaria seu controle sobre a região, palco em março de distúrbios e protestos durante os quais manifestantes foram mortos.
O apelo do líder tibetano por um alto grau de autonomia para a região inclui áreas tibetanas situadas para além da Região Autônoma do Tibete. Zhu acusou o vencedor do Prêmio Nobel da Paz de querer realizar uma "limpeza étnica" em toda essa área.
"Se algum dia de fato tomar o poder, ele realizará, sem qualquer remorso ou compaixão, atos de discriminação étnica, apartheid e limpeza étnica."
O Dalai Lama exilou-se em 1959 depois do fracasso de um levante contra o domínio chinês. Desde então, o líder tibetano, que continua a ser bastante reverenciado em sua terra natal, mora na Índia e viaja pelo mundo para defender sua causa.
(Reportagem adicional de Bappa Majumdar em Nova Délhi)
6 de Novembro de 2008 - 18:18
China alerta tibetanos antes de reunião com exilados
PEQUIM (Reuters) - A China alertou os tibetanos nesta quinta-feira dizendo que a porta para a independência do Tibete está firmemente fechada e que assim continuará, depois de uma reunião com enviados do Dalai Lama e antes de uma reunião divisora de águas entre líderes tibetanos exilados.
A delegação tibetana havia visitado a China para conversas de reconciliação depois que o Dalai Lama expressou desânimo em relação às atitudes chinesas. Os comentários de uma autoridade chinesa à agência de notícias estatal Xinhua foram a primeira resposta pública de Pequim no episódio.
Du Qinglin, diretor do departamento de trabalho da frente unida, que lida com minorias éticas e religiões, disse que a China é sincera e generosa, mas não irá tolerar tentativas de separar o país sob o pretexto da busca pela "autonomia étnica verdadeira".
"O Dalai Lama deveria respeitar a história, olhar a realidade e se conformar com a época, além de mudar fundamentalmente suas proposições políticas", disse Du segundo a Xinhua.
"A porta para a 'independência do Tibete', 'meia independência' ou 'independência secreta' nunca esteve aberta, e nem estaria no futuro", disse a reportagem da agência.
Os visitantes foram levados à região de Ningxia, onde vive a minoria muçulmana Hui, cujas relações com o governo de Pequim têm sido menos turbulentas.
O enviado-chefe do Dalai Lama, Kasur Lodi Gyari, também emitiu um comunicado de Nova Déhli após seu retorno de Pequim.
"Nós apresentamos um memorando aos líderes chineses de autonomia genuína para o povo tibetano", afirmou.
Entretanto, ele disse que o encontro convocado pelo Dalai Lama ainda neste mês para discutir o futuro de suas causas o prevenia de dizer mais sobre as conversas em Pequim.
"Fomos aconselhados a não fazer mais declarações sobre nossas conversas antes desse encontro", disse.
(Reportagem de Emma Graham-Harrison)

28 Outubro, 2008

O Dalai Lama desistiu?

Leia este artigo (em inglês) da revista Newsweek sobre o desencanto do Dalai Lama com as negociações com o governo chinês:
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/postglobal/pomfretschina/2008/10/the_end_of_the_line_for_the_da.html
Pronunciamento do Dalai Lama sobre as relações entre Tibete e China -
25 de outubro de 2008 (inglês)


English Translation of HHDL's statement at TCV, October 25 2008
Translated by The Tibet Connection
thetibetconnection.org

I don’t have to reiterate, since many monks, nuns and lay people have gathered here today, and everywhere people have shown interest in the ongoing relations between China and Tibet and the ways to relate.

Earlier on September 11, 2008 (as it might be) I have mentioned both to the Kashag [Cabinet] and Tibetan Parliament that till date we have our own ways of relating with the Chinese Government. In the recent past, a crisis has occurred in Tibet. From all over the three regions, individual Tibetans have shown their deep resentment and despair with great courage—not only monks and nuns alone, but government workers, students and especially those from the Central Nationalities University in Beijing.

However, be it believer or non-believer, Tibetans, including monks and nuns, old and young, every Tibetan without differentiation has shown their resentment. During that time, I hoped that the Chinese government would investigate the reality and come up with a realistic solution, but unfortunately it didn’t happen. Reality cannot be erased.

The Tibetan people have shown what they long for and they have been distortedly labeled as “splittists” and ”rebels” and were harshly repressed.

In this critical situation, Tibetans in Tibet have sacrificed so much and we cannot pretend not to know this. That’s why, till date we have maintained our political stance, and we have tried every means to benefit both sides.

Many countries, including India, have shown support to this, particularly support from Chinese intellectuals has grown over the years. That’s a victory. In reality, our responsibility and goal is to improve the situation in Tibet but this has not materialized.

Due to this, I mentioned in the European Parliament in the first Strasbourg proposal [1988] that the final decision regarding Tibet will be made by the Tibetan people. In 1993, direct relations with the Chinese Government broke down. Then we had discussions with the Tibetan people and we stood with this primary political stance.

In this critical situation, if we turn a blind eye it won’t achieve anything.

The Tibetan issue is an issue of the Tibetan people and not about me alone. That’s why the issue of Tibet should be considered and decided by the people. Secondly, ours is a true democratic system and not like the Communist government where they speak about democracy but practice autocracy. This is not the way we will ever do things.

When you enter a crucial period, you have to think, discuss and debate. It’s not about political groups defending their own positions. The point is that your actions should not be just based on your political stance. It is not a struggle between the ideologies of political groups. In turn, we have to discuss and debate on the strategies to resolve the Tibetan issue. This we have to do.

All the Tibetans have to work to keep Tibetan identity alive. This identity is different to the rest of the world because we have kindness and compassion as the basis of our nature. If we are able to keep our identity alive it will be helpful to the world and inspire admiration, which is good.

Therefore, our struggle for truth is not only for six million Tibetans. We have the capability to benefit the world. Our struggle for truth is based on reasoning, and if it is successfully resolved then it will surely help millions of Chinese to find a new way of life and one that is meaningful, with both healthy body and happy mind.

If Tibetan religion and culture based on compassion is eradicated and society becomes only concerned with money, in the future this will not help the Chinese and will be their loss.

That’s why our struggle for truth is to benefit both self and others. Now, how are we going to do it? This is why we are going to discuss on the Tibetan issue, so please discuss.

Due to the March unrest in Tibet [the Chinese government] accused me of instigating this unrest. During that period, I made a public announcement that they should come to Dharamsala and carefully investigate the files and the conversations I have had with Tibetans from Tibet that have been recorded on tape. But they did not investigate it. The only thing they do is to accuse me.

Taking this all into account, if I carry on in my position, instead of helping to resolve things, it creates an obstacle. The Tibetan issue is an issue of Tibetan people and it should be resolved by the people. I need not interfere in this. That’s why I made a decision on September 11th 2008 that I cannot hold this responsibility and don’t see a reason to carry this responsibility.

Speaking truly, I can take the responsibility because I have reasons to explain, as I have been sincere throughout. It’s difficult to talk to those who don’t belief in truth. I have clearly mentioned to the world press that I still have faith in the Chinese people, but my faith with the Chinese government is thinning. I have been saying that it’s getting difficult.

Therefore, I have requested the Kashag (office of Cabinet Ministers) and Parliament to organize this [November] Emergency meeting. I feel that this conference will not bring about an immediate solution. However, the Tibetan people should take collective initiative and take an interest based on the kind of long-term strategies that we should employ to resolve our struggle. The decisions will depend on the reality. That is the aim of the meeting.

22 Agosto, 2008

Tropas chinesas abriram fogo contra tibetanos, diz Dalai Lama
21 de Agosto de 2008

PARIS (Reuters) - O Dalai Lama acusou as tropas chinesas de abrir fogo contra manifestantes no leste do Tibete no dia 18 de agosto e afirmou, em uma entrevista publicada na quinta-feira, que tinha informações não confirmadas de que 140 pessoas foram mortas na ocasião.

O líder espiritual exilado do Tibete disse ao jornal francês Le Monde que o Exército abriu fogo durante um protesto na região de Kham, no leste do Tibete, na segunda-feira.

"Pelas minhas contas, 140 tibetanos foram mortos, apesar deste número ainda ter de ser confirmado", disse o Dalai Lama, segundo o jornal.

"Desde os combates em março, testemunhas confiáveis disseram que 400 pessoas foram mortas somente na área de Lhasa... Se você considerar a totalidade do Tibete, o número de vítimas é obviamente maior", disse.

Um representante do Dalai Lama na Índia, onde está exilado o líder tibetano, minimizou os comentários.

"Sabemos de distúrbios na região de Kham. Mas não temos nenhum detalhe ou número sobre feridos ou mortos", disse Chhime Chhoekyapa, na região de Dharamsala.

"Também não temos nenhuma data exata de confusões".

O Dalai Lama está quase terminando sua viagem à França, durante a qual jà acusou a China de aumentar a repressão no Tibete.

Na segunda-feira, a Campanha Tibete Livre, um grupo ativista, disse que a China aumentou a repressão às regiões de etnia tibetana para prevenir protestos durante a Olimpíada.

A repressão aos protestos no Tibete, em março, gerou críticas generalizadas na comunidade internacional e Pequim acusou o Dalai Lama e seus aliados de orquestrarem a confusão. O líder espiritual nega a acusação.

"Dez mil pessoas foram presas (desde março). Nós não sabemos onde elas estão sendo mantidas", disse o Dalai Lama na entrevista.

Ele afirmou ainda que as autoridades chinesas estão acelerando a construção de campos militares no Tibete, o que o faz temer que a China tenha planos de manter o Tibete sob uma longa repressão.

Na semana passada, o Dalai Lama disse, em uma reunião com parlamentares franceses, que teme que a China acelere a mudança de um milhão de chineses da etnia Han no Tibete, imediatamente depois dos Jogos, para diminuir ainda mais a proporção da população tibetana.

Sua visita à França é basicamente religiosa, mas na sexta-feira, ele se encontrará com a mulher do presidente Nicolas Sarkozy, Carla Bruni-Sarkozy, e com o ministro das Relações Exteriores, Bernard Kouchner.

Sarkozy se recusou a encontrar-se com o Dalai Lama, o que gerou críticas de que ele esteja cedendo à pressão de Pequim, que avisou a ele por meio do embaixador que haveria "consequências sérias" caso tal encontro ocorresse.

(Por Estelle Shirbon)

10 Agosto, 2008

Fotos de manifestação pró-Tibet em Portugal

http://picasaweb.google.com/sonia.palaio/ManifestaOTibete08082008/photo?authkey=_sJK4C2G75A#5232519249479101154
Protestos nas Olimpíadas (links em inglês)

SFT Founder detained in Beijing (Wall Street Journal)
(From blog/video report: "Interview: Students for a Free Tibet"] John Hocevar, founder of Students for a Free Tibet, interviewed in Tiananmen Square about the protest. John was detained by Chinese security shortly after the interview. (Video report - I min 37 secs.)
http://blogs.wsj.com/olympics/

HK pro-democracy activist ejected from Olympic venue (AFP)
Hong Kong pro-democracy lawmaker "Longhair" Leung Kwok-hung was ejected from the Olympic equestrian venue on Saturday after mounting an anti-China protest calling for improved human rights. Leung stood in the stands and shouted in English: "Freedom for China" and "Human rights for China." He and an associate, Koo Sze-yiu, who shouted the same slogans in Chinese, were lifted out of the stands by security guards. They also held up a banner that read: "Freedom for China. No dictatorship." Earlier, a Hong Kong student (Christina Chan) who planned to unfurl a Tibetan flag inside the venue was forcibly removed before she could mount her protest.
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5imJxqtGqNQxKml18zGYtVAJ0mIng

Five New Yorkers booted after Tiananmen Square protest at Olympics (NY Daily News)
Report and quotes on Saturday's Tiananmen Square protest. (Includes photo.)
http://tinyurl.com/55rd4g

Canadian one of five protesters detained (The Star - Canada)
Report on Saturday's Tiananmen Square protest, with quotes from Canadian participant.
http://olympics.thestar.com/2008/article/475588

'Team Tibet' Gets Deported for Displaying Flag (Epoch Times)
Interviews with the three Tibetan supporters from the USA, who were deported from China for unfurling a Tibetan flag an hour before the Opening Ceremony on Friday.
http://tinyurl.com/6fp4f5

Tibet protester Lucy Fairbrother took on the might of China - and won. Here she explains how... (Daily Mail)
http://tinyurl.com/68j22y


Protestos pelo mundo (links em inglês)

Protests against Beijing Olympics continue in Dharamsala (Phayul)
Protests on Sunday in Dharamsala.
http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=22405

Police break up pro-Tibet rally in Nepal (Reuters)
Police broke up a pro-Tibet rally in Kathmandu on Saturday and detained more than 600 protesters who tried to storm a Chinese consular office.
http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSDEL314079
AFP report: http://tinyurl.com/57ftxe

Tibetan exiles protest against China (The Age - Australia)
Report on Saturday's protest in New Delhi.
http://tinyurl.com/56qws5

Olympics in Beijing, protest in Delhi (Merinews - India)
http://india.merinews.com/catFull.jsp?articleID=139146

Party and protest in B.C. to mark Beijing Games (CTV - Canada)
Protests in Vancouver on Saturday.
http://tinyurl.com/578j9m

Olympics of another kind (Hindustan Times - India)
A report on Friday's Colonial Olympic Games in New Delhi.
http://tinyurl.com/65wbjt

Declarações de Líderes Mundiais

Bush mixes sports and politics at Olympics (AP)
President Bush on Sunday called for more religious freedom in China. Speaking to reporters after attending a church service in Beijing, Bush alluded to the millions of Chinese who brave harassment and arrest to worship at unregistered "house" churches. "It just goes to show that God is universal," Bush said. "No state, man or woman should fear the influence of loving religion." However when meeting Hu Jintao, Bush did not repeat earlier admonitions about China's pre-Olympic crackdown on dissent.
http://tinyurl.com/6auznf
Reuters report: http://tinyurl.com/55fael
AFP report: http://tinyurl.com/5f693w

Bush again speaks out on human rights in China (AFP)
In a weekly radio address on Saturday that was broadly positive about US-Chinese relations, President Bush said his Olympic visit had reinforced his belief that China must accept greater freedoms. "During my time here, I'm expressing America's deep concerns about freedom and human rights in China," he said. "This trip has reaffirmed my belief that men and women who aspire to speak their conscience and worship their God are no threat to the future of China."
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5isnDor1O7zdCJlKb0aG8mIR1J7Aw
AP report: http://tinyurl.com/5hgsme

Dutch premier tells China he's concerned about human rights (M&C)
Dutch Prime Minister Jan-Peter Balkenende has told his Chinese counterpart Wen Jiabao he is concerned about human rights violations in China. Balkende said he discussed freedom of the press, the position of human rights activists, minority rights and the situation in Tibet.
http://tinyurl.com/5959es

Taiwan opposition leader blasts Beijing Olympics (M&C)
Taiwan opposition party leader, Tsai Ying-wen called the Beijing Olympics a copy of the 1936 Games hosted by Nazi Germany and criticized the IOC for allowing China to host them.
http://tinyurl.com/6b6mk5


Olimpíada: censura à Internet (links em inglês)

Website blocking is for your own good, Games chiefs tell Chinese (AFP)
Olympic Games organisers claimed on Saturday that the controversial decision to block Internet sites was taken to protect Chinese youngsters. Asked why sites such as Free Tibet and those covering the Tiananmen Square Massacre were not accessible, Wang Wei, the vice-president of BOCOG, said, "We (BOCOG) promised free access except for a few websites that jeopardise our security and the healthy growth of our youth. That's an assessment made by the authorities of which sites are good and which are not good for our youth. It's like what any other country does."
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gVB6y8xHwkeAOIxmHBI5pNqUHgGA

Some Web sites remain blocked at Beijing Olympics (AP)
[Similar to AFP, with additional quote:] IOC spokeswoman Giselle Davies suggested reporters should keep pushing the Chinese. "Sites that you need to have for your job, it's important that you raise them for BOCOG's awareness," Davies said. "It's ongoing work."
http://tinyurl.com/5fmmoe


Olimpíada - prisões e segurança (links em inglês)

(Saturday) Chinese rights activist Zeng Jinyan disappears (AP)
A Chinese human rights activist whose husband was jailed earlier this year has disappeared and may have been taken by police to prevent her from speaking to journalists during the Beijing Olympics. Chinese Human Rights Defenders said Zeng Jinyan disappeared on Thursday and has not been heard from. Zeng is married to activist Hu Jia, who was sentenced to 3 1/2 years in prison in April for "inciting state subversion". Hu had been involved in issues including AIDS awareness, environmental rights and Tibet.
http://tinyurl.com/5k5scx

Beijing to tighten security after fatal attack (Reuters)
Olympic organizers vowed to tighten security in central Beijing on Sunday after an American tourist died in a stabbing attack, but they insisted the Chinese capital was safe and Western sightseers were unfazed.
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSPEK12287520080810

Security checks at popular spots on Great Wall of China (AFP)
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hHf62a5wpxIMedzUBiv5D2plv0Dg


Olimpíadas - outros

Taiwan activist deported by China (AP)
China has deported Yang Hui-ju, a pro-independence Taiwanese activist, who wanted to cheer athletes from Taiwan at the Olympics.
http://tinyurl.com/562cdw

Inside Beijing: Political room service at the Hotel Tibet (Independent on Sunday - UK)
China has billeted British journalists in Hotel Tibet in Beijing, in what may be seen as a sinister move.The hotel is owned by the puppet regime in Tibet. Copies of the propaganda-packed magazine 'China's Tibet' are in every room. It condemns the "politically disrupting influence of demonstrations" during the torch ascent of Mt Everest and terms the Dalai Lama "a hypocrite whose principle of peace is bogus". What was that about not politicising the Games?
http://tinyurl.com/6grmvw

Beijing Olympics: How to stage a protest (Telegraph - UK)
Article about the procedure on applying to protest at one of Beijing's "protest zones".
http://tinyurl.com/6ng9np


Outras Notícias

France to welcome Dalai Lama under shadow of China row (AFP)
The Dalai Lama kicks off Tuesday an 11-day visit to France that threatened to spark a crisis between Paris and Beijing, until President Nicolas Sarkozy quashed speculation he would meet the Tibetan spiritual leader. Sarkozy's wife Carla Bruni-Sarkozy will attend the inauguration by Dalai Lama of a temple in southern France on August 22. On Wednesday, the Dalai Lama will meet 250 senators and deputies from the French parliamentary group on Tibet, before holding talks with leaders of the French Tibetan community. The rest of his August 12-23 stay will be devoted to religious visits, in the Paris region and elsewhere, and a six-day teaching cycle in the western city of Nantes.
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jDWEndcamaU6Rq6kR5KFPYFiNqww

Eight killed in attack on police in China's Muslim northwest (AFP)
The death toll from a bombing and the aftermath in Xinjiang on Sunday rose to eight, with four injured. Seven attackers and one security guard died in the attack in which the bombers drove a tricycle laden with explosives into the yard of a police station in the remote city of Kuqa, Xinhua news agency said.
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5h1DkWOOSYv8UmHzRhYOlYej_xuWg

China's Other Face Revealed (ABC - USA)
Article about new documentary, "Fire Under The Snow", which traces the story of Tibetan monk and former political prisoner, Palden Gyatso.
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=5543796&page=1


Editoriais e opiniões

Fascism vs. team USA (Washington Times)
Comment by Jeffrey Kuhner, who says, "President Bush's decision to attend the opening ceremony of the Olympics in Beijing was a disgrace... Mr. Bush's appearance has given political legitimacy and moral credibility to Beijing's murderous regime. His denunciations of China's human rights record ring hollow."
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/aug/10/fascism-vs-team-usa/

I spy a little Olympic crack in China's wall (Sunday Times - UK)
Comment by Simon Jenkins, who says, "Let us hear no more about the Olympics being about sport... Not since 1936 have the Games been so overtly political as now."
http://tinyurl.com/5ulefh

The Chinese heroes Brown and Jowell will not meet (Independent on Sunday - UK)
Opinion by Joan Smith, who looks at Chinas' human rights abuses and several Chinese political prisoners that British leaders will not meet whilst in Beijing. She says on the Olympics, China's "authoritarian leaders correctly calculated that they could get away with murder (literally) in a world mesmerised by China's emergence as a major economic power." Concludes by saying, "China is a dictatorship, and it's put vast resources into ensuring that no one rains on its parade."
http://tinyurl.com/6ykoe5


Extra

Beijing rolls out the propaganda to welcome Games (Reuters)
Article on propaganda posters and banners throughout Beijing which leave little doubt as to the government's determination to ensure the Olympics are a success. Inside the main entrance to Ritan Park, a designated "protest zone", potential demonstrators are reminded not to rain on China's parade and to behave themselves. "Welcome Olympic Games with joyfulness and construct a harmonious society," it says.
http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-Olympics/idUSPEK5790420080810

Dalai Lama keeps reaching out to Beijing despite rebuffs (AFP)
A report profiling the Dalai Lama.
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5j_054gIS04RDUVkrMYqi2Z3pEGOg

Yao becomes UN environment campaigner (AFP)
Chinese superstar Yao Ming (basketball player and China's flag bearer at the Olympics) has become the UN Environment Program's (UNEP) first ever Environmental Champion, tasked with raising awareness of climate change and energy efficiency.
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hXpwjqRtzJmuANtvgg94X16tTQqQ

Organizers asked to open up route to spectators (Reuters)
Olympic officials have been asked to open up the roads to more cycling spectators on Sunday after the International Cycling Union complained over-exuberant security had marred the finish to the men's race.
http://tinyurl.com/56x36z

Protesters simply cannot take it any more (Telegraph - UK)
Article about different types of protestors. Includes quote from pro-Tibet Beijing protestor Lucy Fairbrother.
http://tinyurl.com/6z8lju

Beijing Olympics: Tight security 'has its limitations' (Telegraph - UK)
Report on the security limitations in Beijing (includes Tibet protests).
http://tinyurl.com/5j6v72